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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:36 pm 
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It has been mentioned before, As you know flute bands put a lot of Scottish people off attending.

So attend Climeri then.

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A Welshman attended the Bruce commemoration in 2007, and has stayed in touch sporadically since. I think the main problem has always been the distance and the fact that we have traditionally "supported" these events but not actually attended - other than SR and Beavis's efforts. It's a difficult one, we morally know these should be on our calendar but then we have the distance/effort involved/expense dilemma when we can't always attend our own events.

There's no easy solution.

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I appreciate that Jolly Sailor, im sure youd agree it would be great to see a Siol flag or two there, perhaps next year?

I will be inviting all i meet to attend Scottish commemorations next year and hopefully small delegations from the other nations will be in Scotland in future.

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glasgow wrote:
Devils advocate :-

Q: Is there really a thread linking these "Celtic" nations ?


No, and the ones there are are dubious (other than all being oppressed at one time by the larger neighbour).


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Mr miles wrote:
It has been mentioned before, As you know flute bands put a lot of Scottish people off attending.

So attend Climeri then.


Me? I'm lucky to make it to Scotland for Scottish events. :???:

iainmhor wrote:

I will be inviting all i meet to attend Scottish commemorations next year and hopefully small delegations from the other nations will be in Scotland in future.


Do you not think there could be a very negative response to the Irish Tricolour attending Scottish events at this time in our history?


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:47 am 
glasgow wrote:
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Q: Is there really a thread linking these "Celtic" nations ?


NOPE!


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Mr miles wrote:
glasgow wrote:
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Q: Is there really a thread linking these "Celtic" nations ?


No, and the ones there are are dubious (other than all being oppressed at one time by the larger neighbour).


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Mr miles wrote:
It has been mentioned before, As you know flute bands put a lot of Scottish people off attending.

So attend Climeri then.


Me? I'm lucky to make it to Scotland for Scottish events. :???:

iainmhor wrote:

I will be inviting all i meet to attend Scottish commemorations next year and hopefully small delegations from the other nations will be in Scotland in future.


Do you not think there could be a very negative response to the Irish Tricolour attending Scottish events at this time in our history?



Oppressed at one time- so no oppression anymore of any description? So you and a few others appear to be genuinely dismissive of any commonality in a globalised, interconnected world.

Do you find the flag of a part of Ireland a problem, or are you frightened of the response of bigots? Siol nan Gaidheal should welcome support from any quarter, if its genuine in supporting Scottish independence, no?

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iainmhor wrote:
Oppressed at one time- so no oppression anymore of any description? So you and a few others appear to be genuinely dismissive of any commonality in a globalised, interconnected world.


You can hardly say the Republic of Ireland is oppressed. Perhaps if the Irish looked for more of a commonality they wouldn't have the problems they do.


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Do you find the flag of a part of Ireland a problem, or are you frightened of the response of bigots? Siol nan Gaidheal should welcome support from any quarter, if its genuine in supporting Scottish independence, no?


No problem with the flag of Ireland or what it stands for. Trust me there would be a response from bigots, it would also turn genuine Scottish people away from attending events, they would also be there to push their own agenda, not ours. As for Siol welcoming support from any quarter??? I cant speak for anyone else, but Siol has been approached by all kinds of cranks & organisations in the past...The majority have been told to piss off.


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The North of Ireland is oppressed, and suffers horrendous problems as a result.

The Republic is currently being recolonized by Tesco and friends.

Agree that there are problems getting to Abergele, which is a way away, and out in the country. Me and Beavis got to the St David's Day rally since he lived just down the road, and I'd been invited to speak.

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iainmhor wrote:
So you and a few others appear to be genuinely dismissive of any commonality in a globalised, interconnected world.

Dunno about others Iain a' charaid, but aye sir, I am dismissive, but i'd say i'm open to convincing
on the matter, but i'm no too sure about just being accepting of stuff, like we have with the whole
Celtic nations etc, with little or no proof, not only to their commonality, but shared nationhood of
sorts, outwith a part commonality of past or present oppression among a few (not all) the countries
or the Celtic language thing, which again doesn't hold true, or we'd be surely talking about more
than these commonly recognised countries, which seems to play to a modern agenda...

But hey, different opinions are a good thing.


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Scottish Republican wrote:
The North of Ireland is oppressed, and suffers horrendous problems as a result.



Oppressed by who? Their problems today are largely of their own making. Looking for a common culture would go a long way.

How would we feel about an organisation supporting an Independent Ulster ( rather than Irish Unionism) attending Scottish events?


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Which organisation would that be?

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iainmhor wrote:
Which organisation would that be?

There used to be a large support for Ulster independence within the UDA did there no ?

But being as it was a kinna hypothetical idea, which group or not doesn't really matter.


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Exactly, its a hypothetical question that I would love an answer to, especially from those who see parallels between Irish Republicanism & Scottish Nationalism...


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If an idea is strong enough it would manifest itself in a group in the real world. The partitioned sectarian British statelet would only see calls for independence if and when Irish national sovereignty was close. I would say Mr Miles politics are a Scottish equivalent of Fine Gael, certainly not in any way shape or form near Irish republicanism. Hands across the water and links to the UDA or other British loyalists make strange friends for a supposed Scottish separatist/nationalist. I think the loyalists will give Siol nan Gaidheal short shrift but please amuse me by elaborating your solidarity with British loyalists in Ireland.

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iainmhor wrote:
Hands across the water and links to the UDA or other British loyalists make strange friends for a supposed Scottish separatist/nationalist. I think the loyalists will give Siol nan Gaidheal short shrift but please amuse me by elaborating your solidarity with British loyalists in Ireland.

I think your misreading things Iain, who saying anything about Sìol nan Gàidheal linking through
solidarity with the UDA or loyalists etc, go back an read the question posed.


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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:36 pm 
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If an idea is strong enough it would manifest itself in a group in the real world. The partitioned sectarian British statelet would only see calls for independence if and when Irish national sovereignty was close. I would say Mr Miles politics are a Scottish equivalent of Fine Gael, certainly not in any way shape or form near Irish republicanism. Hands across the water and links to the UDA or other British loyalists make strange friends for a supposed Scottish separatist/nationalist. I think the loyalists will give Siol nan Gaidheal short shrift but please amuse me by elaborating your solidarity with British loyalists in Ireland.


You must lean taewards Swipe mentality tae connect Mr Miles tae the UDA lmfao

You'll be calling him a nazi next :dontfeed:


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iainmhor wrote:
If an idea is strong enough it would manifest itself in a group in the real world. The partitioned sectarian British statelet would only see calls for independence if and when Irish national sovereignty was close. I would say Mr Miles politics are a Scottish equivalent of Fine Gael, certainly not in any way shape or form near Irish republicanism. Hands across the water and links to the UDA or other British loyalists make strange friends for a supposed Scottish separatist/nationalist. I think the loyalists will give Siol nan Gaidheal short shrift but please amuse me by elaborating your solidarity with British loyalists in Ireland.


Excuse me, but it was a Hypothetical question so, how you ever came to the conclusion that it would be british loyalists wanting Ulster independence & they would in some way be friends of Scottish Nationalists or even Siol is Beyond me...I think its you that should elaborate... :wacko:

It is not beyond posibility that "normal" people from both sides of the bigoted religious self imposed divide get pissed off with all the hatered & campaign for Independence from both Ireland & britain :lol: ...So would you support them, or is it Irish Unionism or bust?

BTW, I dont have any Politics, I believe Scotland should run its own affairs from Scotland & be represented by a government that puts Scotlands interests first...End off.

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You must lean taewards Swipe mentality tae connect Mr Miles tae the UDA lmfao

You'll be calling him a nazi next


Hey just because I wear a Grey uniform & own a couple of Coons doesn't make me a bad person... :cuddy:


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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:55 am 
I share Mr Miles' stance Iain, we really need support from fellow Scots before we go looking elsewhere, and unfortunately our state of division and conquest is such that 'foreign' flags from the island of Ireland are going to polarise popular opinion amongst those who have no imagination or opinion of their own.

Like Glasgow, SR, Beavis etc I'm open to the idea of Celtic Solidarity in principal, to the extent I suppose where I see it is a positive thing not to be alone and out on a limb. After all the more people seen to strive for freedom the more the world accepts that it is normal to do so.


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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:03 am 
Im open to the idea also although think its a bit of a flight of fancy to think anyone should bother going to any of these things when its hard enough to get the numbers up at marches etc... in Scotland, it sounds like a great wee day out for a bit of socialising and a bevvy but not high on the list of my priorities, ultimately Iain should hopefully accept that we are here for Scotland at the end of the day and Independence for Scotland is our ultimate aim, anything that has a negative effect on our goal will be kicked into touch. Hypothetically speaking I would welcome the support of anyone who supperted Scottish Independence and wouldnt worry in the slightest about what their opinions were on Ireland or the monarchy, etc... I also wouldnt give a monkeys if they had completely different views to me about Irelands future, the reason for that is simple, we are Scottish, we want Scottish Independence and anything else is an sideline.
I know for a fact there are Scottish Nationalists that do not support a United Ireland, there are also Scottish Nationalists of a very Orange tint also, you know what, theyre all welcome, the more the merrier. Theres plenty of Scottish Nationalists that are Monarchists as well, should we turn their support away because they dont match our republican agenda, no, because that damages the cause of Independence. What about the Scottish Nationalists that are anti the current monarchy but pro another one?
As someone once said, its a broad church and ultimately as long as you agree that Scotland is better served being an independent nation then all are welcome.
Iain, Mr.Miles has a point, you are Scottish but only seem to post on matters relating to Ireland, id say thats taking pan-celticism a wee bit too far, where are you Iain for instance helping Scotlands cause in your pan-celtic efforts?
Have we reached a stage were because you support one thing you automatically have to support all the fringe causes that go along with it and ill quote as an example the Israel/Palestine pish that gets shoved down our throats?


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No one can support Scottish independence and be a true Orangeman. They may have tendencies that way, but it goes completely against the fundamental ideology.

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