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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:26 pm 
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North Ayrshire Council has defended the use of the Scots language in schools after a Tory-supporting, English newspaper criticised the practice and claimed local children were being “taught how to send text messages in slang”.

In a small, Scottish sub-section of the London-based newspaper, it was claimed the SNP Government’s new Curriculum for Excellence would see children “learn how to communicate in slang”. The article also listed North Ayrshire as one of three areas in Scotland where “teachers have been told” local language must be brought into the classroom.

In fact, the Curriculum for Excellence simply encourages study of the ‘diversity of language’ and highlights ‘Scots’ as a distinct language, recognised by both the Scottish and UK Governments.

Lessons taught in North Ayrshire schools have, for many years, included reference to the works of Robert Burns, the Ayrshire-born national bard of Scotland who wrote in the Scots tongue.

Responding to the allegations of pupils being taught slang, a local teacher told the3towns.com, “This is just ignorant nonsense from an out-of-touch newspaper.”

The teacher continued, “When I was a young pupil it wasn’t uncommon for teachers to belt you if you used Scots words in the classroom, but that was recognised years ago as being wrong.

“Of course it is vitally important that pupils are taught the English language, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with using and learning about our own Scots tongue too. If it was good enough for Rabbie Burns, its good enough for me.”

In North Ayrshire schools, children have been encouraged to take part in competitions organised by the Itchy Coo education project, which works with pupils and teachers to develop their Scots reading and writing skills. Itchy Coo also promotes Scots to the wider public through liaison with the Scottish Parliament, national organisations and at international level. Organisers of the project state their aim is, “to encourage better understanding and greater acceptance of the Scots Language in education and in all aspects of Scottish life.”

Itchy Coo records the reactions of three local primary school teachers to their pupils writing poems in Scots. A P2 teacher at Ardrossan’s Stanley Primary states, “Children loved doing this.” A P5 teacher at Caledonia Primary in Saltcoats said, “Pupils found the activity enjoyable and were keen to participate,” while a P7 colleague commented, “children thoroughly enjoyed using Burns as a stimulus.”


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:49 pm 
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Actually if they wish to be pedantic, it's dialect* not slang, which is a sociolect. There is a difference, and the two are not the same in linguistics.

Dialects are words used in a particular area, or region, whereas sociolects are words used by a particular group or class.

(* I'm taking this from the POV of someone who doesn't consider Braid Scots a language, like the Tory in question.)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:53 pm 
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Tory-supporting, English newspaper


Tory + english = arsehole. Whae dae they think they are commentin oan Scottish education
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:34 am 
It's mair o the 'too little too late' as they cry it in Inglis! Gin they'd thocht aboot this years ago, ye cuild hae brocht in somethin that wuild hae preservit the leid itsel insteid o jist wirds!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:03 pm 
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Ay Ay Fowks, jyned this Forum aboot a month syne an this is ma first post sae a wee Hou's it gaun ti ye's aa.

A met in wi the sel same narra nebbit pish yince fae a soor phizzed wee wumman at Ruggie Toon Haa aboot seiven year syne whan A speirt aboot haein a Copy o 'An Innin tae The Scots Pairliament'
Ay thay haed it in aa kinna leids baur the Scots .
This wee mislearit wumman sayed it wes Juist 'Slang' an thay didnae hae onie troke wi thon............Daftie !

Soonds affa like this is juist a wee bit o Scotophobia frae fremmit fowk gin a'm askit. She's A tory , it's whit the Brits dae.

mair Brit Shit.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:56 pm 
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Wha gies them the richt tae tell us oor language is slang an theirs is richt,that's the inglis fur ye big,better thon anywan else.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:56 pm 
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First lets not blame the southern neighbours. The anti-Scots policies have been in since the Kirk adopted the King James Bible. The Scotch Education Department (as it used to be called) and the successors were the most zealous of persecutors.
Like many things the blame lies in our own.
The notion of proper "English" and Scots being slang came mostly from the fact that Scots as a written language died with the Union at our own hand. Scots survived as an oral language but any oral language struggles to develop a higher register (or to keep one if it already has one)

Secondly to be fair it is HARD for English people to concieve of Scots as a language when the orthography is not settled and the Scots seem to take no real pride in it.
Also Scots is overwhelmingly represented in a modern culture as the language of the "Patter" and so it is seen as "lower class".
However if you delve into linguistic theories and divisions there can be no grounds for denying Scots languagehood. Look up abstand and abstau languages IIRC
A language does not have to be mutually unintelligible.
Mutually intelligible like Scots and English, (Norwegian and Danish)
Subdivided into different accents and dialects - just like German, English etc
Consistent differences ie tense endings -ed becomes -it/et eg righted becomes richtet.

However the question becomes how do we keep English from taking over and how do we get Scots and Gaelic to primacy in Scotland? Answers on a postcard please


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:53 am 
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Its fair tae say that for years oor culture,languages(scots,gaelic)and history have been repressed in and out of schools,i think things are startin tae take a turn for the better with the SNP government in power,ie a lot more Scottish history and culture is getting taught in the classrooms.But a lot more needs to be done,totally agree as well about the systematic putting down of our culture by fellow so called scots(traitors one and all),they are worse than the english!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:27 pm 
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Do you expect the Daily Mail or its readers to be sophisticated enough to tell the difference between "slang" and "dialect" ?


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