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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:43 pm 
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The Balliols are actually quite popular hereabouts. Maybe it's the same in Buchan with the Comyns?

There was talk of forming a Balliol Society, but possible confusion with Oxbridge is a problem.

Needless to say there is a strong helping of Flat Earth Society-style humour about the whole notion.

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Balliol gets a bit of a bad rap.

Remember Balliol Sr founded the Auld Alliance and fought the Battle of Roslin against the English. The Battle of Roslin is not as well remembered as Bannockburn, but it is still significant.

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Wasn't the Toom Tabbard in Picardy by the time of Roslin?

However, while we are on the subject, does anyone know of a good plan, or chart of the battle? This would be difficult given it's different phases, but then Bannockburn and Old Byland happened in stages too.

Onionists seem to underplay the significance of Roslin, but if a third of the English Army was pushed off a cliff and farmers are still ploughing up the bones, that suggests to me a significant victory. What exactly are they hiding?

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Aye, the field nearby was known locally as "Shin-banes" apparently, because of the amount of human debris disturbed every year by the ploughs...

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I know some people who are trying to get a proper memorial.

I'm just really pointing out that Balliol is not completely a villain. (His son was, but that's another matter.) Some of this gets discussed in this article -

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Scottish Republican wrote:
I'm just really pointing out that Balliol is not completely a villain. (His son was, but that's another matter.)


I am inclined to agree with you.

Someone told me recently that John Balliol was his father's fourth son and was lined up a peaceful job in the Church when his brothers kicked the bucket one by one. You almost feel sorry for the guy. One minute he's singing lovely hymns and maybe watering the odd potted plant; the next he's on the battlefield at Dunbar facing armoured cavalry and lots of sharp pointy metal things.

Shades of Monty Python: "All I want to do is sing!"

(OK, I don't know if he was actually at Dunbar.)

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