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When asked "Should Scotland be an independent country?", 62% (1614) voted no, while 38% (967) said yes. Only 2,589 out of more than 23,000 students took part in the poll.

Lazy Pot Smoking Bastards.

I was going to add too many Amanda's and Gyle's go there to skew the vote , but the answer to that question should have read, "Should Palestine be an Independent Country?" and most of these middle class cunts would have turned out and voted yes.

Bastards.

Stephen.

only 13% turnout, so whatever result would be irrelevent. but as you say palestine cuba any country but the one they live in.

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I've noticed a bit of a nasty anti-student thing on here before... Forget the FSN...

Anyway, a lot of students don't come from Scotland so they either don't care, or are misinformed. And the Scots aren't much better anyway.

Nationalists are going to have to prepare for all three outcomes anyway, not just a "yes" vote.

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NB - I am not the same person as the poster "Scottish republic".

in Aberdeen we have a high percentage of foreign students and that includes the English so I think there would be a similar result at Aberdeen University,most Wednesday nights at work I hear the accents of the students and very few of them are Scottish!Up the road from the hotel I work at is a nightclub for students called Garage and most are pompous prats!

A thing we must also remember many past students have become successful nationalist MSP's and MP's such as Alex and Kenny and we can't forget Ian Hamilton and the other students who returned the stone for us!

I'm glad you sad that Fifer.

We've been trading in stereotypes here.

I don't think independence is being sold well. All young people see is a career politician in a suit debating with someone else in a suit. It's being hijacked by party politics, and lovers/haters of Eck. It's not about him. And the uninspired economic arguments won't sell it either.

Nor will the Pepsi Max and Miller Lite debate achieve anything but muddy the water.

Heart not head will decide this. I'm voting yes because I've always wanted this. I'm not persuaded by this limp contest, let alone the deadly dull Darling. But I know what I want - does the public?

Alasdair Gray is the only interesting thing to happen so far.

Anyway foreign students are good for our economy. Some of them are good on the eye too. ;)

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"The thistle rises and forever will" - MacDiarmid

NB - I am not the same person as the poster "Scottish republic".

SR,

Sometimes I shoot from the hip without thinking about the consequences? Passionate feelings usually occur to me about Scotland when I see people more interested in Eastenders than their Countries future. I remember in 1992 when John Swinney came to my wee town and there was, (not including John and the host), 3 people. Next door the place was "Stouded to the Ginnels", (An old Ayrshire Dialect saying), with people for the Bingo. Typical Labour Mentality.

And your right about the students being good for the economy and good on the eye, Scandinavian blondes come to mind. But as one commentator said on here once, when the Stone of Destiny was released, the queue was a dozen while the Bader Meinhoff Gang flick, was, as we say in Ayrshire, "stoud to the ginnels". One person who really gets on my nips is George Galloway. What a self centered self deluded utter prick.

Stephen.

well as someone said on another forum




i agree it doesnae make good headlines(so whats new?) but does anyone really believe this is representative in any way of how glasgow will vote in the referendum?

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From what I've heard the University has been taken over by Hoorays from private schools.

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bugs, your sweeping general-isms don't wash with regards to the homosexual and pot smoking pish. so what if people smoke some weed and so what if they are gay??.... that's got fuck all to do with anything.... EVER.
point to note mr bugs.. the largest LGBT organisation recently put their support into the independence campaign fully and are campaigning actively FOR it.

regardless this is hardly indicative of anything, which is to say it's hardly a relevant sample to count for anything, polls generally aren't.
a vast amount of students at Glasgow uni are not allowed to register to vote in the referendum and thus their opinion is moot.

on top of that you again, as has been mentioned the demographic that, in general go there.... not all of them but markedly more of the old money types go there and are members of GUU(Glasgow University Union) as the other and in my opinion groovier types are members of the QMU(Queen Margaret Union) which until the 80's used to be the female student union... i have had many a great night there tbh.

Thus with those there from that crowd you'll find a heavy union bias.... that said due to that in itself it's hardly a representative sample of Scotland or even of the youth vote.

this isn't a big thing, if it went the other way it would be a pleasant in a minor way but that it, it means NOTHING in the greater scheme of things.
the only vote that matters is the referendum

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"The thistle rises and forever will" - MacDiarmid

NB - I am not the same person as the poster "Scottish republic".

St Andrews definitely, Edinburgh to an extent, but Scottish folk have means of dealing with this.

For example, a lot of people wanted to join the Edinburgh Uni ski club... but it was run by these folk nipping to the Alps for the weekend. So a group of ordinary Scots set up "ScotSki" at the university for folk who went to Hillend, Aviemore etc... yahs not invited.

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"The thistle rises and forever will" - MacDiarmid

NB - I am not the same person as the poster "Scottish republic".

Erm Pax,

Erm, point to the part exactly where I said I was Anti-Gay? Another chance to put your little spin on things again. Just about every time I send something you come on and put your twist to it. Ever thought about becoming a spin doctor? I was being Anti-Horray Hendry, i.e. the Amanda's and Gyle's part. The people whose Social Life exists because Daddy bank rolls them, then they get older and start to preach from the Pulpit. So my pish as you say, is always you misreading anything I write and answering the question how you perceive it. Yes I'll stick to my pot smoking horray henry quote if I like, thank you very much. Not because I disapprove, but because these pricks piss me off. It's your right to disagree with me, the same as it's my right to disagree with you. But I could come on praising Scottish Independence and you would still attack me. WTF have I ever ever done to you?

Stephen.

bugs, your sweeping general-isms don't wash with regards to the homosexual and pot smoking pish. so what if people smoke some weed and so what if they are gay??.... that's got fuck all to do with anything.... EVER.
point to note mr bugs.. the largest LGBT organisation recently put their support into the independence campaign fully and are campaigning actively FOR it.

Again, please point out to the part of my argument about me being Homophobic? Please take your time and point it out. You really are a nasty piece of work. Your the kind of person, who, if you disagreed with someone 2 years ago, would then come on and twist everything anybody say's to fit your agenda. I admit to putting in the Pot Smoking bit, but being Homophobic? Only in your twisted imagination. The trouble with some people is that they see conspiracies everywhere they can't even be trusted to read a paragraph without foaming at the mouth. Trouble is, it is their version they have read, not what is written down on paper. 1984 anyone?

Don't ever be a Witness in a court case. Your "Impartial" views would sentence both the Judge and the Jury to Life and let the criminal off Scot Free.

Stephen.

Bugs,

A lot of people on these boards have been through college/uni and not turned out bad. At least one person on here went to a private school and is as sincere as anyone else.

At college, we tended to keep away from the Hoorays, although occasionally I got to know some of the refugees (people embarassed by coming from that background). The people I tended to mix with were Scots, Celts and some decent northern English folk (often Geordies). I got on better with foreigners than HHs. The Brit Left was always a pain. I have always been an internationalist but their anywhere but here attitude sickened me. At times, it's fun to show them up by asking their invited foreign speakers what they think. Yeah, Noam Chomsky and certain Tibetans/Venezuelans/Palestinians support independence even if their Brit hosts don't. (Mick Napier removed Chomsky's pro-indy comments from a video made at Ed Uni.)

Most students are apathetic about politics. Can you blame them with the way it's presented? The SNP does a lot of stupid things too. When you see a grey suit queen kissing, backing Donald Trump or telling us how wonderful NATO and Brussels are, or talking about the Olympics and minimum pricing... you have to check the tie or the badge to see which party they're in!

I have the greatest respect for SNP grass roots... but the careerists... dull dull dull. They'll kill the party. Salmond's good but he slips up sometimes.

Oh yes, and on those foreign students... one of them was the best woman I ever met. We never smoked pot together.

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"The thistle rises and forever will" - MacDiarmid

NB - I am not the same person as the poster "Scottish republic".

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"The thistle rises and forever will" - MacDiarmid

NB - I am not the same person as the poster "Scottish republic".

Hate to say this but Baader Meinhof was the better film! I enjoyed both (BM was bigger budget) by the way, and saw them at the cinema. BM had better acting and more rounded characters (it shows both sides of the story) The Stone annoyed me a bit. The ending was a compromise - as in real life. Why give - or pretend to give - it back? That gave them power over us. Cop out. (That said, weren't Braveheart and Rob Roy commercially successful? BH is pretty inaccurate but at least it got people talking and thinking + that's the two biggest threats to the union)

Gorgeous is like you say, but he's had his moments. The best thing he ever did was stick it to that pompous senate committee. But otherwise, an anti-Scottish hypocrite.

re foreign students... They should be an international club not rich Kate Middleton wannabes. Yeah (Jo?), I used to know some nice Norwegians, French, Germans, Catalans, Chinese etc. Irish, Welsh and Geordies are welcome but the Pimms and polo set can get to F, since they bring nothing to the table, don't mix with us and treat us like paeons.

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"The thistle rises and forever will" - MacDiarmid

NB - I am not the same person as the poster "Scottish republic".

simply put you put sweeping general-isms into many of your posts.. one such was bullshit about masons and there are many masons who are pro-independence such as ME and a fair few other Siol members who can name themselves if they wish.

the animated icon you used wiuth reference to the "hooray Henry's".. is generally associated with the gay crowd.. if i was wrong ,colour me a bawbag.. btw i went to a private school but at least i had the decency to get thrown out of it :P but i am not a unionist arse nor a hooray type..

SR is right on the button on many things in this thread in regards to the YES campaign being lacking in MANY respects.. the RIC turned out at the weedgie uni debate with a fucking FANTASTIC idea UK 9K t-shirts and when people asked they said "well if you want to be paying 9K for fees then stay in the UK... utter CLASS and they had far better campaign materials then the official YES crowd and far more organised and co-ordinated.
The YES campaign is turning into an utter clusterfuck in fast approaching meteor fashion.
the lack of communications and the assumptions made by YES HQ... the lack of freely available materials being handed to the people on the ground.. the advertised posts for people to work at HQ(no i didn't apply but know some who did) that were then told... nah were not gonna hire now..... the request for materials and funds from the local offices and those offices being told... we haven't got the materials/fund to hand.. and as we all know there's at least 1 million courtesy of the lottery winners in that pot.....

The YES campaign has to sort it's shit out and do it in short order or risk the campaign.... it's meant to be a grass roots campaign.... then , in that case they shold be making sure the grass rooits have all the tools and info available to them to carry out the campaign with is not happening at the moment.

also point to note.. at the actual debate the YES crowd made up most of the audience and jabba the garage(coz a hut isn't big enough) bailley , when she realised she got a bite by saying "Separation" started saying it more and other tasty morsels to get more bites... basically the fat fuck trolled the crowd ... and that played right into her big fat fucking hands....

however, as i say, my hat right off to the Radical Indy crowd.. they played a blinder

Thanks for the comments on the Yes campaign. I'll come back to them. I'm a bit out of the loop just now, but I'm not inspired by any of it. There are a lot of people in the middle. I've spoken to a couple of people, and they've said that they were "conflicted". One of them's an esset (contrary) wee nyaff, who's a nationalist amongst unionists and a unionist amongst nationalists, but I sense he is genuinely wondering how he's going to vote.

I think the SNP's always had a streak of paranoia in it, partly about those nasty fundies, and worse, and that's probably filtered into the "Yes" campaign but I'll come back to that too.

At risk of a thread hijack...

I've met a few folk who've come out of Scottish private schools who were decent enough. They do exist!!! But since I'm a socialist and Scottish nationalist/republican, I'm completely against them for umpteen reasons.

I couldn't help laughing when I heard Fettes had been stripped of its charitable status. The only charitable thing they ever do is maintain a portakabin youth club at Crewe Toll in Edinburgh (next to where Telford used to be), which has been getting more and more dilapidated over the past fifteen years. One of Fettes' headmasters was kicked out of Eton for enjoying spanking the boys too much, including a Private Eye journalist who wrote an expose on this pervert. As for Gordonstoun... don't get me onto Gordonstoun, probably the worst of the worst. The only good thing to come out of Gordonstoun as far as I can tell was Roy Williamson of the Corries (and writer of Flower of Scotland). The guy who set it up was virtually a Nazi - Kurt Hahn - and he would have probably become a full blown one, if he hadn't been of the Hebrew tendency. I've heard stories about Queen Victoria School (QVS) in Dunblane, which is some kind of military compound which makes prisons seem tame, and as for the all girls' schools like St Leonards in Fife... well... I've heard one of two stories coming out of them that would make a pornographer blush.

I *do* think the private schools have something to answer for in Scotland though. They are deliberately set up to anglify Scottish kids, and I notice a lot of them don't even do Highers and Standard Grades anymore. About the one thing I can forgive them for is rugby, which probably doesn't deserve to be so linked with them in many people's minds.

It's probably about time nationalists confronted this issue, but it has to be on more than just the class divide (no pun intended). They should be forced into the Scottish curriculum. Bagpipes and kilts are just window dressing. They also existed partly to provide folk for the Empire, and they still feed into the British Army's officer corps. Kevin Williamson recently talked about a staff audit for quangoes. It would be nice to see one on Scottish education, not just ordinary schools, but the colleges, universities, private schools etc.

The most obnoxious types are often nouveau riches like the Middletons. They are no more aristocratic than I am, or anyone else on the board, and come from Durham coal miners. But you meet these folk and they're the worst snobs ever. Worse than the real aristocracy.

That said, there are probably other reasons why folk send their kids to these other than class consciousness etc... and they probably reflect certain problems in our public school system. (Our real public schools, since only the English really use that word in the wrong way.) School uniforms are probably a good idea since they stop folk dividing up into tribes and football factions etc as much. A lot of schools are bringing them back, and it kind of makes sense.

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"The thistle rises and forever will" - MacDiarmid

NB - I am not the same person as the poster "Scottish republic".

Is Glasgow following Saint Andrews and Edinburgh in being the preserve of aliens from teh South ?