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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:07 am 
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Was at a Labour voters for independence meeting tonight it was painful being a Scot nat all these speakers saying they were not nationalists slaging of the SNP and Alex. All they are interested in is being the main party after independence in Scotland! How come us who have been fighting for independence are considered uncool to them.I f Alex had not taken the gamble of a referendum they would not exist shame on them! Fuck them pity we need them to get independence, Labour scum! :saltire:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:27 am 
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For a lot of folk growing up under thatcher "nationalism" was irrelevant. Kilts & tartan pillows, or fight for a fair society whereby the weakest are protected? Abernethy shortbreads all very well, but not when familys are relying on free soup kitchens. As a fellow Fifer, do you remember Karen Carrick & her "Kirkcaldy Kremlin"? Well, I was one of those daftys who walked around handing out leaflets for Christine May no' long after she was parachuted in by London to remove her. So I certainly wouldn't call myself a traditional nationalist either and have a looong memory of being betrayed by Labour.

Labour for independence have a problem insofar as generation x haven't much experience of living under the Torrys. To them, the SNP party ARE the opposition. Independence is like supping wie the devil. But its also the only way to achieve a socialistic society. Hell...its the only way to achieve a democratic society. And they know it. So of course they will talk about being in power. As for swiping at the SNP and the First Minister is simply part of their uniform; defining a "us" as opposed to "them" also helps cover insecurities of working alongside nationalists.

I think we live in interesting times because following a yes vote I cant see the lab4indy crowd moving over to allow current labour party members to run Scottish Labour. Add MSPs Vrs MPs, throw in the scottish unions members who want a leftwing party, and certain arseholeish councillors who have bent over backwards to promote the union through the media, and "catfight" doesn't come close to describing it. Thing is, until there is a complete removal of everything and everyone that allowed the party of Kier hardy to become the blair and brown gravy train, I cant see the electorate having anything to do with them.

Me? I can see myself going SSP or Green; both have surprised (and impressed) me by their depth of vision. But not untill the negotiations wie London are over....

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:41 pm 
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Political parties are what they are. If you have fought for Independence for as long as you have then you will have aligned to what was valid in any year. Some have been about for many years. Some can say this stretches right back to when a sword was drawn and that was a day when there was no political parties.. only Kings or Queens. Take your pick now but all that will matter is.. Do you believe Scotland SHALL be an Independent Nation. YES


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I had one guy on my whisky fb page say he was for independence but didn't want to be called a nationalist or a patriot and my first thought was that's a bit fucked up but who cares he is on our side and will help us win our freedom.I always thought a person prepared to fight for their country was a patriot just shows how wrong you can be . :brickthrow:


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It doesn't matter as long as they support a Yes vote and work for it.

It also doesn't matter whether they call themselves nationalists or not.

A lot of people don't like the SNP or Salmond for various reasons. It is wrong to gamble the referendum entirely on that. We need to get votes off people who didn't vote for either. We're not in party politics land anymore.

As for the SNP, it is in itself a means to an end and has done so stupid things in its time. Not least the official line towards Siol.

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As long as people vote YES in September,then thats all we can hope for,after independence,everybody`s vote in the newly independent Scotland,will be up for grabs in 2016 :saltire:


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I believe the split between old and new Labour is widening and most labour supporters in Scotland are opposed to New Labour policies and want to get their party back, hence the move to independence. The other political parties have a similar problem with many grass roots Conservative Lib-Dems favouring independence for practical reasons.

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